Will Work For Compensation: Amanda Palmer, Interns, and Entitlement Culture
So Amanda F*cking Palmer has gotten herself in the middle of a shitstorm, again. Not surprising, as she likes controversy (like many artists). This time it’s about her request for volunteer “professional-ish” musicians from each town she tours in to be part of her show, in exchange for beer, high fives, hugs and merch.
I think that it’s bad form for the most part to not pay musicians for their work when you’re doing a paying gig.
Just as I think it’s not cool to have interns you don’t pay when you’re using them as free labour vs actually inconveniencing yourself to teach them the trade, which is what an internship technically is (otherwise believe me I’d have an indentured servant-I-mean-intern).
Just as I think it’s unfair to expect sex educators to put themselves in debt in travel/housing so they can lecture/teach for free.
Just as I think it’s unfair to expect that people will fix your computer, or design your logo, or give you rides for free.
It’s awesome if people volunteer, or they offer, when you say “this would be super helpful, if you can maybe do this” and then you are really grateful, offer a trade of services, make sure you’re available when they next move house or need a babysitter. That’s community, and that’s rad.
It’s less awesome when you become yet another cog in a machine that acts like you should be the grateful one for the opportunity, esp when EVERYONE acts that way. It burns out the generous. And if you’re making money at a show/gig/conference/etc, then you really owe the people who help make it happen some cold hard cash, or at the *very least* travel expenses to get to/from that gig. Actually, it’s an expression of class privilege to expect that people have the time/energy/resources to do things for free, particularly if that involves things like gas money or multiple meetups. As Amy Vaillancourt-Sals, a manager of her local branch of Classical Revolution, says here:
We have unions that stand for us, but they can only do so much. Artists are feeling desperate. I confess, I have found myself giving free performances in order to get ahead and perhaps have something notable to put on my resume. You’d think that this would help, but it doesn’t and in fact it’s made my position worse. Volunteer opportunities have effectively lead to more volunteer opportunities. Very very seldom have I found it leading to compensating gigs. As a result, my desire to share my craft and my feeling of self-worth have waned, while people around me are mocking, saying “yes, but aren’t you happy you get to create music?” Not while I’m starving, stressed and frantic… no! I can only imagine the clever and snarky retorts that you would tell those (insert expletive and plural nouns here) that approached you with that sort of BS. In fact, it makes me blush just thinking about it!
My friends and I are looking to bring back the respect that musicians deserve. As a personnel manager for my branch at Classical Revolution, I’ve been working towards assuring that my musicians are compensated for their talents and hard work. So, looking back at your ultra successful kickstarter and your request… Here you are, and you’ve raised over $1 million for your tour and album release. Here we are as musicians on foodstamps, maxing out their credit cards to keep the lights on, are hoping that we have enough money to pay next months rent, and have instruments that are in need of repair, need to be replaced, and even need to be insured. We are looking at you now and your request for musicians to come play with you for free, and most of us have even fallen in love with you and your music, and how do you think we’ll respond? We’re f*&king perplexed, agitated and disheartened, to put it mildly! What would you say to you if you were in our shoes? I have a pretty good guess.
People need to eat. Many, many people are struggling to make ends meet, are in crippling debt, and are working themselves to the bone. Creative folk in particular struggle, because often they have a crap job they hate to barely stay above water, AND the desire to create in a country that doesn’t care to support artists. $50 even would be something to many people. People *like* to help each other out, especially artists, but they will end up unable to make rent because no one ever wants to pay them for their work. “You get to be in my presence/you get exposure” is not really good enough and does not get groceries at the store. Additionally, Amanda Palmer did just raise a shitton of money in a kickstarter so this looks kinda bad (here’s the breakdown of where the money goes, and frankly, looks like she could still afford to offer $50 to each performer). I mean, *she’s* not playing for free, is she? And particularly ironic is that she had her own blog entry about how people ought to pay the artists- but perhaps it’s somehow different asking the fans to pay directly vs paying collaborating artists..?
Had she said “I really want to highlight local talent!” or “I’m eager to collaborate with my fans!” I expect the response would’ve been kinder. But she didn’t. She said she couldn’t afford to pay these people, which left a sour taste in the mouth of many artists. Worse was her response on Twitter, something along the lines of “People just love to hate me!” No, it’s really not that. Most of the people I saw commenting were the musicians she was looking for, and they’re HURT. They love her, and they feel betrayed by her entitlement, not just as fans but as fellow artists. It’s also frustrating that a lot of really excellent critique is getting lost among the sexist “bitch” and “cunt” comments. Really guys? There’s no need to stoop to that when you have such a good platform for commentary based on behaviour.
But she’s not the only person who has ever done this. This is not, in my opinion, just a backlash against Amanda Palmer, but against a whole cultural phenomenon. In fact, we live in a culture of entitlement where people are expected to work for free and be grateful for the potential “opportunity” all the time. I rarely get paid to go speak at a conference about sexuality, for example- many presenters go at their own expense for years to “make their names” before they get fed up. It’s become an expectation. I’ve had to check my own entitlement when planning events, and make sure to budget in paying for things, particularly things I want done by a specific time or in a certain way, and definitely if making money that will line my pocket. It’s so common to be expected to do things for free, that you’ll be desperate for the exposure, that many people feel ashamed to ask for compensation.
”They want everything for nothing! They wouldn’t go for 5 seconds without being paid, and they’ll bitch about how much they’re paid and want more. I should do a freebie for Warner Brothers? What, is Warner Brothers out there in an eyepatch with a tin cup out on the street? Fuck no!” -Harlan Ellison
It’s not just within the alternative communities, either. Many of my friends have done unpaid internships that are, in fact, illegal. An internship should really be a pain in the ass for the hiring company, not free labour, and yet so often the unpaid interns are the ones sorting mail, answering emails, and doing other menial admin work. No one tells them that they are actually being used. Here’s a quote from a legal company warning employers how they should work interns into their workplace:
First, employers should attempt to maximize classroom and/or training experiences rather than simply assigning more traditional “work” projects to interns. Second, employers should attempt to provide interns with experience practicing more “general” skills rather than assignments or duties specific to that employer’s operations. Additionally, in order to ensure that an intern is not viewed as “displacing” regular employees, the internship should be designed to minimize independent work by the intern and should instead revolve around close supervision and “shadowing” of other employees. Employers should also take great care to ensure that interns are not performing more “menial” tasks such as filing, clerical work, data entry, or other tasks that might indicate they are displacing other employees or are working merely for the advantage of the employer. Further, employers offering fixed “stipends” should take great care in determining the amount of any stipend so as to reasonably approximate the intern’s expenses rather than giving the appearance that the payment simply an attempt to pay less than the minimum wage. Finally, employers should ensure that internships are not used as simply a “trial period” for regular employment, and thus should always have a definite beginning and ending date.
If it is determined that an employer improperly classified an internship as “unpaid,” the employer could be liable for violations of federal and state labor laws for failing to pay at least the minimum wage, failure to properly provide wage statements, and meal and rest period violations, among others. Accordingly, it is vital for all employers, large and small, to design any unpaid internship program with these factors in mind and in close partnership with human resources and legal counsel to ensure that the employer is avoiding potential legal liability.
In the United Kingdom there were accounts of jobseekers being told to work for free for up to 30 hours a week at various businesses or lose their jobseekers allowance. To give you an idea, jobseekers allowance is about 56 pounds a week, not enough to survive on as is- 30 hours a week for a total of 56 pounds certainly is less than minimum wage. Again, these are not jobs requiring training, or offering these workers valuable skills or even a job- the companies involved only had to promise an interview, not paid work.
Cait Reilly, 22, is completing three weeks at Poundland, working five hours a day. Reilly, who graduated last year with a BSc in geology from Birmingham University, found herself with five other JSA claimants last week stacking and cleaning shelves at Poundland in south Birmingham.
She says there are about 15 other staff at the store but, unlike them, she will receive no remuneration for her work. “It seems we’re being used as some free labour, especially in the runup to Christmas.”
Reilly says she told her local jobcentre in King’s Heath, Birmingham, that she did not need the experience in the store as she had already done plenty of retail work.
Despite DWP rules, Reilly says she was told by the jobcentre that she would lose her benefits if she did not take the Poundland placement. The DWP says jobseekers should be told about the cooling-off period but was unable to comment on individual cases without being given personal details.”I was told [the work experience placement] was mandatory after I’d attended the [retail] open day,” she said.
And of course there’s the issue with large distribution centres, many stories of which have come out and horrified readers like this one from Mother Jones. Mac McClelland gets informed that emotional abuse is pretty much expected, but don’t protest or you won’t have a job at all:
“DON’T TAKE ANYTHING that happens to you there personally,” the woman at the local chamber of commerce says when I tell her that tomorrow I start working at Amalgamated Product Giant Shipping Worldwide Inc. She winks at me. I stare at her for a second.
“What?” I ask. “Why, is somebody going to be mean to me or something?”
She smiles. “Oh, yeah.” This town somewhere west of the Mississippi is not big; everyone knows someone or is someone who’s worked for Amalgamated. “But look at it from their perspective. They need you to work as fast as possible to push out as much as they can as fast as they can. So they’re gonna give you goals, and then you know what? If you make those goals, they’re gonna increase the goals. But they’ll be yelling at you all the time. It’s like the military. They have to break you down so they can turn you into what they want you to be. So they’re going to tell you, ‘You’re not good enough, you’re not good enough, you’re not good enough,’ to make you work harder. Don’t say, ‘This is the best I can do.’ Say, ‘I’ll try,’ even if you know you can’t do it. Because if you say, ‘This is the best I can do,’ they’ll let you go. They hire and fire constantly, every day. You’ll see people dropping all around you. But don’t take it personally and break down or start crying when they yell at you.”
Yet we still buy our stuff from Amazon and similar places. We’ve grown to expect free shipping. It’s just another cog in the machine.
This is part of consent culture too, and why I use the term “entitlement culture”. People who end up fucked over by these schemes or crappy job situations tend to be people without a lot of power, without the ability to fight back legally or refuse the job. And it starts small. It starts with a person on a tour asking for musicians to play for free, and trickles all the way down to big corporations violating the rights of marginalized people. We need to be a community, and remember that it’s a give and take, that no one owes us, and to be incredibly grateful and gracious to volunteers. We need to break this entitlement for all of our sakes.




> This time it’s about her request for volunteer “professionalish” musicians from each town she tours in to be part of her show, in exchange for ”
Was that intentional or was that a typo?
Total typo, thanks for the head’s up!
THEM: We can’t pay you anything, but think of the exposure!
ME: People die of exposure.
-G.
A thousand times, yes. Have been talking to Palmer and her fans most of the evening about this issue. http://rlbrody.com/2012/09/12/hey-amanda-can-i-get-my-dollar-back/
At this point, she’s contradicting herself (links in the blog entry). I can respect creativity but not exploitation. That’s not what Amanda taught me.
A bit old in internet years but I absolutely love Harlan Ellison’s Pay the writer clip,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj5IV23g-fE
Hm. I agree wish some of this and disagree with some of it, as it seems to be a pretty broad piece lumping disparate things together.
“It’s awesome if people volunteer, or they offer, when you say “this would be super helpful, if you can maybe do this” and then you are really grateful, offer a trade of services, make sure you’re available when they next move house or need a babysitter. That’s community, and that’s rad.”
Well…that doesn’t seem like a far cry from what she did, to me. She asked on her blog, to her fanbase, which IS her community. They have provided food, lodging, instruments etc for her before out of love…why not skills and time?
You could argue she has traded in services by providing free songs and gigs.
“Worse was her response on Twitter, something along the lines of “People just love to hate me!”
Well…they kind of do. You have to keep in mind she was probably referring to this as just one of many. In her blog about this specific incident someone talked about burning her face off with kerosene. Her release of “The Killing Type” is littered with abuse, mainly having nothing to do with her song and everything to do with her armpit hair.
Apparently a woman having armpit hair and flaunting it is a stoning offence.
Yes, she does court controversy by being extroverted and over-the-top doing things differently. That doesn’t mean she deserves every bit of abuse that comes her way.
Which is not to say everything should be dismissed under the umbrella of hate, as I’m sure there are plenty of valid arguments – but there’s more hate. I suppose as she gets more attention and more into the mainstream, that’s inevitable.
“It’s also frustrating that a lot of really excellent critique is getting lost among the sexist “bitch” and “cunt” comments. Really guys? ”
See above.
“In fact, we live in a culture of entitlement where people are expected to work for free and be grateful for the potential “opportunity” all the time.”
Mm. Well, yes and no. Seeing “culture of entitlement” seems very odd being put in that context – here (UK) it’s usually directed at the opposite…people on housing and child benefit and job-seekers allowance. You’re quite right in your example, it’s fairly typical:
“Cait Reilly, 22, is completing three weeks at Poundland, working five hours a day. Reilly, who graduated last year with a BSc in geology from Birmingham University, found herself with five other JSA claimants last week stacking and cleaning shelves at Poundland in south Birmingham.”
They are getting harsher with people on job seekers – especially younger people. But it’s not just the politicians – many people are angry that people who have degrees aren’t lowering themselves to do menial work because they think they’re better than everyone else, or are soft and lazy.
I don’t subscribe to this attitude because there often ISN’T the menial jobs available for people with degrees to do! Often they’re taken up by eastern europeans who will work harder (A polish guy told me UPS won’t employ english people anymore as they’re lazy – which is illegal if true) or they won’t be hired *because* they’re ‘overqualified’ and employers assume they won’t work hard to will move on quick to something else.
I don’t agree at all with forcing someone into labour for free and expecting them to be grateful. Apprenticeships also pay peanuts – way below minimum wage. This is also staggeringly awful and exploitative: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/jun/04/jubilee-pageant-unemployed
That said, I do volunteering that I enjoy (and am not forced into). I don’t feel exploited or undervalued – quite the opposite. I’m unemployed, but hoping to start a course soon that my volunteer work will have helped towards. It might help my career prospects, it might not.
I don’t think it’s fair to be lumping what Amanda Palmer did with the nastiness that’s happening with our Government in this country, though. She wasn’t cynically using cheap labour to benefit big corporations, or in any way shitting on the poor. She wasn’t forcing anyone, and I don’t think she was being entitled – if anything she was asking for help from her fans, something that she’s always done, and I don’t feel is unethical.
If anything, I think a lot of people who donated to her kickstarter have an entitlement complex, feeling that they get to dictate how she does things after donating $1. “That’s my money! I contributed! I should get a say in what you do with it!” No, you bought an album with that dollar. You are entitled to no more.
I don’t think what AFP did is *the same* as big corporations and governments. But I think she, and many, many others who would otherwise identify as liberal and anti-oppression, do have a part to play in normalizing the behaviour. I don’t think she’s “forcing” anyone, but I do think making a plan (that you hope to make money on) that depends on professional volunteers being available *is* entitled. Again, it’s about how you frame the asking. Saying “it’d be super cool if you could do this with me, and we’ll put out a tip jar/you’ll have merch space/I’ll signal boost you on Twitter” would have made the conversation very different, IMO. At least it would have for me. If she didn’t say it because she does that all the time and people expect that, well, she’s got to understand that people who are not rabid fans or who have not taken her up on that offer wouldn’t know that’s on the table.
I know lots of performers who offer free songs and gigs and they still pay people to participate with them or at least have a tip jar out if they’re making money from a show.
Additionally, this is not even close to the first time she’s fucked up.
She’s fucked up on rape culture http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOVcgOwquDA
She’s fucked up on race
http://sparkymonster.livejournal.com/389485.html
She’s fucked up on disability
http://hoydenabouttown.com/20100302.7291/not-your-punchline-amanda-palmer/
Infuriatingly, she has then been sarcastic and pissy about the feminists who have said “not cool, AFP, not cool”
http://tigerbeatdown.com/2010/02/17/amanda-palmer-wants-to-shock-you-just-dont-e-mail-her-about-it-kay/
Even so, I don’t think sexist insults or threats are appropriate or in any way acceptable. And I don’t think she owes people accountability for what she does with money from her kickstarter, but it’s also to be expected that there will be critique around it, fair or not.
“I don’t think what AFP did is *the same* as big corporations and governments. But I think she, and many, many others who would otherwise identify as liberal and anti-oppression, do have a part to play in normalizing the behaviour.”
But it isn’t the same behaviour, and you are lumping them all together which has connotations…
“I don’t think she’s “forcing” anyone, but I do think making a plan (that you hope to make money on) that depends on professional volunteers being available *is* entitled.”
Fair enough, yes, if that was the assumption. Though in her kickstarter breakdown, (to paraphrase) it seemed more she was saying “if we keep the tour spending low we might break even” than “we’re banking on volunteers being prepared to do this.”
I’m also not entirely convinced that the show wouldn’t easily go on if volunteers did refuse or that the plan depends on them.
“Again, it’s about how you frame the asking. Saying “it’d be super cool if you could do this with me, and we’ll put out a tip jar/you’ll have merch space/I’ll signal boost you on Twitter” would have made the conversation very different, IMO. At least it would have for me.”
Well, yes, the phrasing is important and in this case unwise. But she did signal boost on twitter (and additionally the volunteers in that particular case asked Jherek to play for them at another date – completely reciprocal). I think it is an assumption of intent however, to state she’s being entitled or ungrateful without actually knowing so.
In her response here http://www.amandapalmer.net/blog/20120913/ she stated “and YOU’LL be happy to know we gave Classical Revolution (along with the players) a big shout-out from stage. we’re grateful.”
“If she didn’t say it because she does that all the time and people expect that, well, she’s got to understand that people who are not rabid fans or who have not taken her up on that offer wouldn’t know that’s on the table.”
Well, I doubt she could have been prepared that the New York Times would’ve done a peice on it, inviting many people to comment who might not know anything about her. Let’s keep in mind she did ask for help from her blog, which is directed at her fans.
Also “rabid fans” is kinda insulting, and I would suggest largely the nature of the criticism she is recieving which is spattered with hate and abusive language, threatening boycotts of her shows, burning her face, and calling anyone who wants to volunteer their free time for fun a “scab” seems far more rabid.
(yes, you can claim confirmation bias, but objectively if you go to that blog post and count how many people can talk reasonably about it and how many people are spewing hate, the numbers are likely to confirm that).
“Additionally, this is not even close to the first time she’s fucked up.”
Hm. I’m not sure that’s really a good point as “fucked up” is entirely subjective here – she’s pissed people off and that’s bad PR but that’s not the same thing. And sounds a bit like “she’s wrong here, because I disagree with previous things she’s done.” Further, she doesn’t shy away from debate and encourages it – from the perspective of talking about anything is healthy and good.
But in my opinion she did NOT fuck up with rape culture. As an artist she absolutely has a right to express herself – even about controversial subjects. Maybe especially about controversial subjects because they’re important and should be in dialogue. And as she said at the time, she *had* been date raped. she*had* an abortion – but even if she hadn’t had those experiences? It’s still ok to discuss them and what they mean. It’s still ok to frame those experiences in the context of black humour and that is NOT THE SAME AT ALL as making light of those experiences – her own or other peoples.
I also don’t think she fucked up on disability by making Evelyn, Evelyn. I went to the show, I bought that album and it’s not making light of conjoined twins…that’s just…not what it’s about. Again, yes it’s tragi-comic, but not at the expense of a disability; it’s telling a story, much of it metaphorical. The title song “Evelyn, Evelyn” could be taken literally if you choose, but to my mind is far more a metaphor of a co-dependant relationship where one person loves and wants the other, but is suffocating the other party with their need for them.
People disagreeing with you and having a different interpretation on what you may have intended on what you’re doing artistically isn’t the same as fucking up. (though arguably, as you point out, how you deal with that criticism can be).
Ahem. Apologies on the rape culture bit. I thought it was a link about the song Oasis which attracted the criticism for that reason. Not the Katie Perry thing. Shoulda clicked through first.
*retracted
Re: Evelyn Evelyn- if a bunch of people living with disability says “this thing is busted”, I’m a-gonna trust them.
Rabid fans… you know, most of my friends who are AFP fans refer to themselves as rabid fans. I don’t think that’s seen as insulting, just as highly passionate.
I also think her initial response to criticism (as it has been EVERY TIME) was immature and suggested a sense of entitlement. It’s not just one time. It’s regularly that she gets called out and gets snippy about it. Being revolutionary and courting controversy means you need to be gracious about being called on privilege, and she’s not great w that.
It doesn’t excuse the violent response (which I said)- it’s frustrating that real criticism gets lost in a torrent of abusive threatening behaviour.